. >> did you speech with lois lerner the former director of exempt organizations? >> i did not. >> i would say your initial conclusion that the irs found no evidence of intentional wrongdoing by irs personnel, give the number of key players you did not talk, to it not necessarily an initial conclusion but incomplete that. we know from our league? the summer of 2011. lois lerner directed the cincinnati office to change the words tea party tribal advocacy groups. do you think this was an intentional attempt to -- cover up the targeting and. >> i don't know the answer to that question. more work needs to be done to evaluate the circumstances. >> i find it difficult to make the conclusion that no evidence of intent was -- >> i found there's no evidence in the record to suggest there was an intentional cover up. >> you didn't speak to her. >> each time -- injury mr. werfel, i control the time. my question is, after she directed his change, cincinnati intentionally went back to targeting tea party groups. do you know who is responsible for this? >> die know who is -- wel